The languages aspect of the story has some holes in it too. According to bible chronology the Tower of Babel story took place about 2400 BC but several written languages have been found that pre-date this, some by a thousand years.
Also Genesis in earlier chapters admits that there were more than one language in the world
Genesis 10v5
By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations
Genesis 10v20
These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations
Genesis 10v31
These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations
There's an abrupt change between the end of chapter 10 and the start of the Nimrod story in chapter 11. It looks like a folklore tale that's been added into the Pentateuch at some point without much regard for the content of scriptures around it.
You might as well believe Aesop's 'pride before a fall' type morality tales are literally true.
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The Tower of Babel... What's up with that?
by LtCmd.Lore inseriously,,, what was gods problem?
the story of babel bothered me for quite a while.
after all, satan made a few challenges right?
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Acts or Gospels? Who is Right?
by sammielee24 inin the bible paul takes issue with peter regarding his hypocrisy - his objection eating with gentiles.
surely peter would have remembered jesus doing this.
jesus last words were to basically go preach to the world - which would be gentiles.
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Jesus' raison d'etre was to preach to jews only
"Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew 10:5,6)
"I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew 15:24)
"It is not fair to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs." (Matthew 15:26) - Talking about gentiles
"Today salvation has come to this house, since he also is a son of Abraham. For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost." (Luke 19:9,10)
Jesus ministry never extended into gentile lands and the decision to preach to gentiles was only later taken after Peter had his revelation. Jesus 'world' was the jewish world; the children of Israel. The story of the roman centurion in Matthew is more than likely a later interpolation considering the rest of the context of Matthew, it's negative attitude towards non-jews and other interpolations in the gospels meant to appease the roman authorities.
The scripture in Matthew is where Jesus says preach to all nations is regarded as a later amendment by the early church fathers. This is obvious considering the ministry never extended to gentiles in Jesus' lifetime and also when Peter decided it was ok to preach to gentiles some years later it caused a furious controversy. -
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A PEOPLE FOR HIS NAME
by garybuss inhttp://www.lulu.com/content/340079.
a people for his name.
by tony wills.
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Excellent I've been looking for that book for a while. I wish it could be downloaded as an ebook. I had the same idea as mia_b and hid my CoC, ISOCF and others but my parents found them.
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Big Screen TV: LCD or Plama? Which Brand?
by UnConfused inanyone with personal experience concerning big screen tv's?
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I've been researching HDTV's for a while too before I risk buying one.
The conclusion I came to was Pioneer make some of the best Plasma's but they are pricey. Panasonic are very good too and more reasonably priced.
For LCD Sony and Samsung are very good.If the weight and depth isn't a major factor I still reckon DLP produces some of the best quality pictures on a HDTV. DLP seems to have lost a bit of ground versus LCD & Plasma but the tech is great and Texas Instruments who I think invented it are rolling out 3D DLP soon. Something to watch out for.
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Ridiculous teenager counselled at Assembly.
by Duncan inthe ridiculous teenager is me.
this story takes me back to 1969, when i was 15 years old.
we were attending the international assembly at wembley stadium, near london, the only time, i think, that wembley was ever used for an assembly.. if youve ever read any of the stories i posted on jwd over the years, youll know that i was never one of those kids growing up in the truth who always had doubts about it or was unhappy and miserable with the religion, just waiting for the chance to get out.
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LOL. Great post Duncan
I remember once when I was young in the KH being told off for eating an apple. I'm not even a loud eater but maybe they thought euphamisticly it related to the forbidden fruit and I might stumble a new person.
An incident related to clapping happened at the Elland Road asembly about 15 years ago. It was when the Young People Ask book came out and all the youngsters in the ground were asked to sit in the same stand. Me, my brother and my cousin decided it would be funny to try to get everyone to clap after every sentence the speaker said as if we were all really pleased at the new release. It really caught on and every kid in the stand clapped at every pause by the speaker. We really thought we were gonna get into trouble but luckily most people assumed we had been overcome with holy spirit and those who did know we were taking the pi$$ just tutted and said no more.
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Is the UK failing it's children?
by New Worldly Translation inthere was an interesting program on bbc's newsnight about the recently released unicef report on child well-being.
the uk came bottom of the list with scandanavian countries and the netherlands top.
this report comes after another list placing the uk 37th in the best countries to live in the world, below such places as latvia and panama (no offence to those respective countries but we in the uk, maybe being delusional, expect to be higher).
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There was an interesting program on BBC's newsnight about the recently released UNICEF report on child well-being. The UK came bottom of the list with Scandanavian countries and the Netherlands top. This report comes after another list placing the UK 37th in the best countries to live in the world, below such places as Latvia and Panama (no offence to those respective countries but we in the UK, maybe being delusional, expect to be higher)
UNICEF report - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6359363.stm
Is the UK going down the pan? Are there any political answers to this or is it down to personal responsibility?
One thing the government has done is devalue the working class. Apprenticeships and vocational qualifications for those without academic skills have been scrapped in favour of getting students into university to comply with arbitrary figures for the number of students in further education. This is despite many courses having very little educational and work related value.
We now have a position where we don't have enough skilled workers and have to employ people from eastern Europe and Poland. Businesses argue that UK workers don't want to do manual work but this isn't strictly true. Workers would do manual work if they were valued as a useful part of the workforce and not looked down on. If carpententry, plumbing, construction skills were given the same priorities as academic courses it would give kids taking up those skills a sense of self esteem about what they do. Even cleaners, factory staff and fruit pickers etc need a change of status. UK Workers are reticent to do these jobs not because they find the work in itself repulsive but because it very rarely pays a living wage and the amount of snobbery towards that type of work. One thing in the UNICEF report that struck was that countries like the Czech Rep. scored better not because it was more affluent but because there was more parity in their culture and a more equal distribution of income so people felt better about themselves. It seems lots of kids in the UK feel out of place in society and pessimistic about what their future holds due to their perceived worth in the community and the nullifying of their personal ambitions to comply with government guidelines.
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Infidel Guy interview
by New Worldly Translation inthe always excellent infidel guy, aka reggie finley has a new interview on his site with harry hardwick the pastor of landover baptists.. http://infidelguy.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=177565.
hilarious stuff for freethinkers and fans of the landover satire .
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The always excellent Infidel Guy, aka Reggie Finley has a new interview on his site with Harry Hardwick the pastor of Landover Baptists.
http://infidelguy.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=177565
Hilarious stuff for freethinkers and fans of the Landover satire
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Yeah I know what you mean Crumpet. Doesn't do anything for my street cred being a 30 year old pedestrian most everyone has wheels these days.
Actually I prefer walking and cycling everywhere and never felt inclined to drive a car. I like the aesthetics of car design but I'm sure I'd be a terrible driver.
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Watched it tonight. Really funny.
I don't drive and am quite ambivalent to car reviews but that show cracks me up.I met Clarkson and James May last month in Salzburg airport. They were in a bad mood cos they'd arrived in Austria to go skiing and there was no snow so they had to fly to Switzerland.
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Ex-Scientologist Interview
by GetBusyLiving inthis is an interview i just read of an ex-member of the church of scientology.
there are a ton of them over at the site i read this on, but this one in particular really struck me because of the parallels i noticed between the cos and the jw's.
pretty heart-wrenching stuff.. .
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Very interesting post GBL.
One positive about scientology being so far out is that people are less inclined to join. Unlike JW's who entice people in with big promises and then trap them in with fear. The estimate for scientology members is 100k to 500k worldwide. Of course that's no comfort for those trying to escape from it.
I applauded the comment that scientology couldn't change anything to become an acceptable rational organisation and it should keep preaching the same doctrine so members can realize it's a crock of shit.